Classic masculinity on the example of El Chapo

Michal

Limes I see
So I have a relationship with someone who does not attract me
to pretend to be someone I am not
to have a relationship I don't want?

Lenka

Limes This is the time when marriages are most durable.

The norm was a difference of 10-20 years in the past and relationships lasted until the end of life.

That's right - it's not like that today. And what's your result of this new method that it isn't? 50% of divorces. Come on, great result, congratulations.

Just because marriages were more durable doesn't mean they were happier. After all, it was the norm in the past that the family chose a woman's husband and had to marry him, even though she did not love him! Women were often stuck in relationships where they were mistreated by their husbands but could not oppose them. I know that you dream of going back to the times when women were unhappy and incapacitated, but you have to accept that they will never come back. Today, women are no longer owned by men. Today we are free - we can work, express our own opinion, decide for ourselves who we will bond with, and when we want to meet our friends, we do not need a guy's permission. It's probably a good thing that you can normally get divorced these days if people don't get along instead of being stuck in an unhappy marriage for the rest of your life (as it used to be in the past).

oof

@Michal Limes just thinks like an animal. Take the cutest and youngest female and dominate.@Limes The term alpha male, beta male is used to refer to I don't know… herds of monkeys. However, humans are much more developed and can control primitive instincts.

Michal

@Limes I think so a bit that instead of creating a nice and happy relationship with a woman with whom you can talk about any topic, you want to make yourself someone that you are not. For what?
You enter into a relationship with ONE woman in a marriage. Not the thousand women who statistically like ESTJ and ESTP the most.

Do you know why they like them? I will tell you a secret - they are active people who put themselves in real situations and learn from real mistakes of practice that you won't fucking get out of theory. You are outraged that a potential partner will require you to interact and not lock up in the room after working hours.

Instead of somehow experiencing the world, going somewhere, making both of you pleasure, you force someone else to pursue with you at home and with limited contact

Limes

Michal So I have a relationship with someone who does not attract me
to pretend to be someone I am not
to have a relationship I don't want?

What are you raving about, I haven't written anything like that. I just explained your taste for women. This is because you have weak genes, beta or gamma males. That's why you need a woman - auntie, dominatrix. You don't have the classic male characteristics.

Look at this El Chapo. If it had happened a long time ago, I would have admitted you were right, but in 2008, at the age of 48, he picked up an 18-year-old girl and married her, and she was WILLINGLY faithful to him and looked at him until the very end.
Type ESTJ. As has been proven time and time again, the most attractive male type for women, the natural, genetic alpha male.

oof Limes just thinks like an animal. Take the cutest and youngest female and dominate. @Limes The term alpha male, beta male is used to refer to I don't know ... a herd of monkeys. However, humans are much more developed and can control primitive instincts.

Female desire is not modifiable, either the woman feels the desire or not. And he feels for a strong male.

Desire comes from the reptilian brain or wild instincts. You can't explain this to yourself that I want X guys to like me, so they will.
It does not work like that. These are primal instincts shaped by millions of years of evolution.

Michal How a bit I think that instead of creating a nice and happy relationship with a woman with whom you can talk about anything you want to force, you want to make yourself someone that you are not. For what?

I don't try anything like that, I don't write about myself, only about science and trends. I don't know what I have to do with this.

Michal

Limes Because still only ESTJ and ESTP the best genes… blah blah blah… .

Since they have the best genes, you won't change your DNA with all your behavior, right?

oof

Maybe we should create a new ideology? We will castrate all the people in the world, but we will only leave ESTJ men and submissive introverts. Pure breed of alpha males and submissive females. What do you think@Limes ? Hmm… I think I've heard about it somewhere… ah yes, eugenics.

And that it wasn't - I'm not suggesting that you have such views. My only question is - what are these discussions about alpha, beta males leading to. What does it lead to humiliating male introverts and criticizing self-confident women? Do you want to achieve something or just want to discuss?

Limes

oof Maybe we should create a new ideology? We will castrate all the people in the world, but we will only leave ESTJ men and submissive introverts. Pure breed of alpha males and submissive females. What do you think @Limes ? Hmm… I think I've heard about it somewhere… ah yes, eugenics.

It's not about an ideology, it's about explaining life.

oof What does it lead to humiliating male introverts and criticizing self-confident women? Do you want to achieve something or just want to discuss?

Not humiliating, but exposing the TRUTH as it is. So much. What for? Because I believe that you can somehow rebuild your psyche like ESTJ in order to have an abundance of women.

oof

Limes Not humiliating, but exposing the TRUTH as it is. So much. What for? Because I believe that you can somehow rebuild your psyche like ESTJ in order to have an abundance of women.

It is interesting… I like to get to the bottom of everything. Explain to me how you can change your personality? Although the topic is probably extensive and could be a separate thread.

Limes

oof It's interesting… I like to get to the bottom of everything. Explain to me how you can change your personality? Although the topic is probably extensive and could be a separate thread.

Not so much to change as to shape.

Our personality is made up of different hotspots about different life issues - sex, approach to people, conversation, etc. I don't think you need to become an ESTJ right away, it's enough“ cut” his several behaviors, several types of gazes, behaviors that make women interested in them. It's not necessarily a scam, because it's just a puller, then normal conversation counts, etc.

I am a convinced supporter of the theory that ESTJ even on such a tinder has its ESTJ-like look written on the face and even without the features of a typical handsome guy, such an ESTJ on Tinder itself can attract women with a look, gesture, vibe of a photo. I am sure about that. So we are trying to forge these most important common and definitional points.

oof

So those who feel good about their personality and who think fucking 50 women in a week is not a measure of masculinity are cocks?

Limes

oof So those who feel good about their personality and who think fucking 50 women in a week is not a measure of masculinity are cocks?

Fuck me man, it's not just about fucking a lot of women. Every healthy guy wants to enjoy the success of beautiful women, well fucking yes or no? So what is this stupid discussion about.

Selena

Limes she was LOVINGly faithful to him and gazed at him to the very end.

I know a similar couple, he is a dozen years older, and the woman has been staring at him for several years and jealous despite her higher SMV - when we talk, she always says about him with tenderness and that he is so manly (and none of him handsome) that he is love of her life, because after so many years her feelings do not weaken as it was in the case of the first guy.
I have no idea what type of personality it is, because I'm green when it comes to MBTI (I only analyzed my type and maybe two others)… he is definitely an extrovert. :)

Limes

Selena I know a similar couple, he is a dozen years older, and the woman has been staring at him for several years and jealous despite her higher SMV - when we talk, she always says about him with tenderness and that he is so manly (and none of him handsome) that he is love of her life, because after so many years her feelings do not weaken as it was in the case of the first guy.
I just have no idea what type of personality it is, because I'm green with MBTI (I've only analyzed my type and maybe two others)… he's an extrovert for sure. 🙂

Everything is correct, baby, how did you come up with it, I'm in a real shock!

If you write something sometimes, my hands just drop… .

And this avatar of yours, little, just somehow, I can feel it… I feel that… I just… lol…