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Limes

buncol And not more ESTP? Is this constant willingness to fight immediately pretend?

Exactly ESTP / ENTP, but maybe ESTP.

Hehe it was good when they said that Najman reminds them of one“ uncle” drunk from family gatherings who always knows best, heheheh.

Or maybe someone wrote here that Najman with his talk would probably sell the comb to the bald man. Hehehe.

The best part is that he is himself - but watch him provoke people with it. I have the impression that Najman is saying something that, in a way, is true in his fights, in these characters, shows a bit of such an intricate translation - somehow it makes him perfectly hit people in the sense that it provokes them to discussion, hehe . Well, see, such a talkative fact, he is also famous, but the talkative one who would sell a comb to a bald man, what a pretty wife he has

The chick is really first class. Hehe good like Najman, how such an uncle from a wedding is holding a girl.

And I think she herself has a burp of him sometimes - it looks as if she herself is a bit laughing at the whole character of Najman.

Limes

Hehe, this is a good time. Najman's intricate logic is cool, hehe, he confuses these simpleton with his logic and combinatoriality, hehe.

buncol

Hehe, this Najman is awesome.

Here is another good scene, moment 3:52 from the words:“ listen, loser” , that facial expression, haha.

Limes

buncol Hehehehe

You can see that Najman is fond of such actions.

But the most fun for me is that my wife sits at home with the kids, and he drives, looks for a fight, has a fight here, has a fight here, organizes fights in a cage here, here he is sitting next to Nastula and tells them that he does not want to fight. fight them because it would be a step back for him, hehehe.
I like this approach and the way Najman arranged his life. Hehe, it's kind of an idol for me in that respect. A beautiful wife sits by your side at home and you have your affairs, fights, fights in a cage, fights, hehe like a real man. And then, after the fight, you come back home, a few deeper ones, tighten the pores… Baba looks nice, hehe. As it should be.

NimfaWodna

I love this guy who comments:

Limes

The best Najman performance for me undoubtedly:

Hehe, he suddenly came between them as if between vodka and snacks, everyone closed their mouths, and he is sitting and here hehehe no one interrupts him, he has the main voice and talks and sets them up right away hehe. He immediately suggests that it is a pity to say that they are idiots, that fighting them is a step back for him and even a pity to comment. Hehe left them all, and then the best, despite the Najman TV at the end - you are a regular sucker and I will beat you like a bullshit - hehehehehe.

Well, I like it, hehe classically masculine and such freestyle Najman behavior.

buncol

So a bit off topic, it makes me wonder where this hate on Najman comes from, are most people really such idiots? Because here you don't really need intelligence to appreciate his sense of humor, or even an ordinary show to be kind to him in return for keeping us entertained.

Are people really that stupid that they have to hate him?

Limes

buncol So a bit off topic, it makes me wonder where this hate on Najman comes from, are most people really such idiots? Because here you don't really need intelligence to appreciate his sense of humor, or even an ordinary show to be kind to him in return for keeping us entertained.

Are people really that stupid that they have to hate him?

I used to think it was because people are so simple. But now I don't think that's the point. Many even catch the comedy of the whole situation, but what hurts them is that Najman offends these people after all. Such as, for example, Kołecki - this is a really deserved athlete and talking about him as Najman did here, however, is very out of place, if I turn off empathy - it makes me laugh, but if you feel like it, Najman very much crosses the line in many situations.

buncol

Limes Many even catch the comedy of the whole situation, but what hurts them is that Najman offends these people after all. Such as, for example, Kołecki - this is a really deserved athlete and talking about him as Najman did here, however, is very out of place, if I turn off empathy - it makes me laugh, but if you feel like it, Najman very much crosses the line in many situations.

Okay, but I don't see much logic here. I do not know how it was, but I watched a longer version of this recording and Najman said that Kołecki spoke about it many times and only now did he decide to answer him for the first time. Well, if he's such a serious athlete, why bother Najman?

Well, he either wanted to build an atmosphere for the fight, or he is not so serious at all. In both cases Najman had the right to respond in his own way.

And this is the case with virtually everyone, Najman does not speak negatively without a reason, from what I noticed, he always only bounces the ball and you can't blame him for that. It was the same with Adamek.

Limes

buncol Yes, if that was the case then you are right.

Indeed it is, but let's also agree, the whole campaign against Najman started because he behaved badly towards them. Listen, you won't crush me, because I've known Najman's story for a long time - I watched him live at the age of 18, in 2008, when he fought for the title of Polish heavyweight boxing champion with Wawrzyk. I watched it live. Even at the conference, Najman had a lot of shoes, arrogance and, however, mockery. You know, it makes us laugh because we feel this sense of humor, but after all, Najman's behavior turned out to be a great idolatrous for a beginner at that time Polish heavyweight. In this business, you have to earn some merit first, and not start immediately with such talk as Najman.

Later Najman also indulged himself a little with Pudzianowski. You will tell me that he was supposed to be provoked - well, not really, because he has existed in this world of boxers for a long time and it is no coincidence that they all started to attack him like that from the very beginning. His kind of narcissism, arrogance and a lot of talking, even though he was a rookie back then - it was out of place.

Well, but I agree that later he was accosted, it was the result of robbing himself.

Limes

I'll tell you more. Gaduły always risk a lot in any industry and are exposed to the dislike of many.

I am a high-class specialist in my work, I know how to do many things and when we have some technical discussions of ours, when we sit as specialists with testers, analysts and discuss - believe me, I would have a shit to talk about, I could talk all the time and it's on the subject and wisely, because I have a lot of knowledge - but even so, I hold back a little - one that there are others, and two that no one likes such talk and EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT AND HAVE A LOT OF WISE TO SAY - then even then I can see it's close to the tension when you talk too much. Generally in business, joint contracts, with contractors, etc. - you have to tone up a bit with yours“ I” , your ego and yours“ I know” - and even if you really are into the shit of knowledge - even then people will be disgusted with you talking too much and leaning over your opinion and opinions.

Even then.

And here comes Najman who really did shit back then and had so much to say at the start. It was even Muhammad Ali that many disliked MIMO, that his talk was working and he was well able to predict his own fights and win. Even then, people disgusted him, let alone Najman.

buncol

Limes I'll tell you more. Gaduły always risk a lot in any industry and are exposed to the dislike of many.

There is something in it, although I do not know if the media rule is more important: no matter how, as long as they talk.

Look at this Liston, everyone was happy that Clay became the champion. I remember before some gala (I think Bowe vs. Holyfield), acting as an expert, Foreman mentioned that he had talked to Liston about this fight, Liston told him that he had no motivation to get up because no one valued him as a champion. And Liston was a quiet, withdrawn guy, he didn't like to talk much.

Besides, look at Najman, how much money he earns from this talk, in my opinion this is a good direction for anyone who earns recognition, and boxers definitely belong to this group.

It is different to work in a corporation, I agree with you here.

Limes

buncol There is something in it, although I do not know if the media rule is more important: no matter how, as long as they talk.

Well, that's why Najman is popular, but we are talking about the genesis of his conflicts. Well, this is the genesis - the media is the media and the environment is the environment. The environment does not like him. The boxing community didn't really like Ali for a long time, and then he slowly became legendary, but they didn't like him for a long time.

buncol Look at this Liston, everyone was happy that Clay became the champion

Come on. Even in return, they boasted at Ali, of the two bad guys, they preferred Liston. Ali had been a disliked champion for a long time, and neither was Liston. They both did not like them, Patterson was their beloved master. They did not start to convince themselves of Ali until long later, seeing how much he achieved, however, what a legend he was becoming.

buncol Liston told him that he had no motivation to get up because no one valued him as a champion. And Liston was a quiet, withdrawn guy, he didn't like to talk much.

This fight, as you know, had a lot of controversy, I am convinced that this fall when Liston was trying to get up was theatrical, it was a puff, he was pretending.

buncol

Limes Well, that's why Najman is popular, but we are talking about the genesis of his conflicts.

Well, in fact, I strayed a bit from the topic, you would have to do a separate topic about boxing and Najman.

As for this thread, this journalist is also funny, who does not prepare herself for the talks at all, often does not even know the names of the interlocutors. I like how easy it is.

Limes

buncol As for this thread, the journalist is also funny, who does not prepare herself for the talks at all, often does not know the names of the interlocutors at all. I like how easy it is.

I do not like it in women, in men sooner, in women it is always a bit lined with pretending to be such a fagot, who does not know herself and is clumsy and manipulative.

Najman is undoubtedly the king of trolling and creating emotions in Polish business.

It was good if he asked if Trybson didn't get a hard blow in the head sometimes during sparring, hehe.

But those Witcher videos are fucking awesome too, hehe.

I am in it“ What do you suggest” I see something else. This kind of talk about something, like pissing off, this witcher and the caller can even fight there, but if the other says something else, the witcher always seems to be nothing“ What do you suggest” - and always open to new male adventures, even in spite of some quarrel with the caller, hehe, this is typically male - that is, always focused on exploring new lands above all feuds and women's quarrels.

buncol

Limes I do not like it in women, in men sooner, in women it is always a bit lined with pretending to be such a fagot, who does not know herself and is clumsy and manipulative.

Helplessness is just what women can like, it is a trait assigned to women, just as helplessness is e.g.@Selena and this journalist is genuinely clunky, maybe a little manipulative, but naturally clumsy.

As for the slack it shows, it impresses me whether it is a woman or a man. I just think that's a good approach.

Limes

buncol Helplessness is just what women can like, it is a trait assigned to women, just as helplessness is e.g. @Selena and this journalist is genuinely clunky, maybe a little manipulative, but naturally clumsy.

Apparently yes, but not. Even these INFPs pretend to be awkward. For example, a friend from a neighboring forum was really clumsy in her statements. Many times a girl has been like this“ eh…” saddened, it can already be seen that she was lost in her depths of this world. Here, I would be perfect to take a girl like this and explain everything and ensure her safety, hehe.

And the user you are giving is in my opinion from the group of those who pretend to be helpless rather than they really are.

In turn, however, the user of d. Is a rarer case, because usually this helplessness of women is pretended to manipulate men.

buncol As for the slack it shows, it impresses me whether it is a woman or a man. I just think that's a good approach.

For me it is changeable. Sometimes I like the slack, and sometimes I like the attitude like Ali's, controlling and dominant. It happens differently.

The attitude of the ESTP is so loose + domination at the same time.

buncol

Limes For me it is changeable. Sometimes I like the slack, and sometimes I like the attitude like Ali's, controlling and dominant. It happens differently.

I always like the slack, because controlling is doomed to failure. Ali proves it, Walter White proves it.

In this scene, he mentions that he wants to control his life above all else.

And how did it end? There was still some toxic tension, that's not a good attitude. So what if both Ali and White achieved a lot when they both ended poorly?

I prefer to achieve less, but be relaxed for the rest of my life. Fuck you, and it will be given to you - says the well-known adage. Are you seriously going to control everything? It's like the Jogi would say: You will become dead serious, and don’ t be dead now, a time will come. It’ s time to be alive.

Life is more pleasant when a person's attitude is open than when he tries to force his convictions, change the course of the river with a spoon.

In fact, this dominance in ESTP appears to be the most healthy, non-toxic and laid back. But maybe I just haven't gotten to know the dark sides of this personality well enough yet, I only think so. In any case, the dominance in the INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ types is a bit forceful, neurotic, while in ESTP it is natural and relaxed.

Limes

buncol And how did it end? There was still some toxic tension, that's not a good attitude. So what if both Ali and White achieved a lot when they both ended poorly?

Well, here you bring very weak cannons to your argument. Do you know how many INFPs I could give you who ended up tragically? I will give you one groom. Zbigniew Zamachowski. Lots of women, he shot kids at different women, now he has a fucking big alimony, and still some problems from his ex-wife, and maybe some disease has become attached to it. And it was a cool guy enjoying the here and now.

This Tomasz, some guy who climbed this mountain with this French woman - also a cool guy, a few children, alimony, ex-wife, he also lived at ease and with what today - as you can see by your recklessness - he ended tragically.

Grooms very often, sooner or later, were pinned down by reality. As you said, you haven't been working for a few years, just for the sake of looseness and peace, you have a big black hole in your CV, what do you write there? Starting a programming career at the age of 28 () because you wrote that you are so old, I think)? Well, it is still possible, but it is really on the verge of balancing. I suppose that if you were 30 years old and the recruiters would see that you have not worked 5 years after graduation, it is very possible that no one would even want to accept you for an interview.

Colleague A. spoke about it in one of his broadcasts - this colleague from Italy. Do you know what he said? Well, he said he took a year off in his programming career. Because he also wanted to“ Chill out” He has time for everything, Italy, sweetheart. Then he came for an interview somewhere in France, etc. it turned out that no one got too excited about his CV - everyone looked very critically at this year of break, asked why, immediately classified him as dangerous“ free thinker” , a blue bird who can't be loyal to the company and fuck up at an unexpected moment.

As he said himself, he could no longer find a programmer job.
What do you say to that?

As for how who ends their lives - it's stupid to look at. I can assure you that at the end of their lives, many people end up funny, tragically. Many people end up alone, in humiliation and oblivion.

Robin Williams ended up suicide, and his whole life relaxed, Ali with Parkinson and so you can exchange - do not draw conclusions from when someone ended, because at the end of life many may reach the bottom, be it moral, humiliation or health, etc. . The end is the same and tragic - because it is deadly.

buncol Life is more pleasant when a person's attitude is open than when he tries to force his convictions, change the course of the river with a spoon.

The INTJ is always open-minded.

buncol In fact, this dominance in ESTP appears to be the most healthy, non-toxic and laid back

Yes, there is something to it, I cited here the example of Jack Dempsey, ESTP, after many wars at the age of about 75, healthy, mobile, smiling, gave an interview in the 1960s.

buncol In any case, the dominance in the INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ types is a bit forceful, neurotic, while in ESTP it is natural and relaxed.

I will not agree with ESTJ. INTJ, ENTJ maybe yes, but ESTJ has the sharpness of strength and control in nature, I wrote about it once - S types, sensors have it more naturally. In my opinion, a typical ESTJ comes more naturally and suffers less because it's natural.
I wrote once before, the sensors are genetically strong, so naturally it's not such a problem for them.

buncol

Limes Grooms very often, sooner or later, were pinned down by reality.

You did not understand me, I do not mean that you should have unprotected sex with whom you can immediately have unprotected sex or risk your life by climbing.

I mean the backlash under the title: accepting the inevitable, not wanting to forcefully fully control what we do not have full control over, and we have almost no control over anything.

What I mean is to do what is most rational, but if it doesn't work out, it's not by force.

And I am actually exaggerating a bit that I live so carelessly, but you are also exaggerating a bit with the fact that it is some kind of black hole that cannot be covered, because I have friends who, after a long break, found a job as a programmer without any problems. Maybe the key lies in not taking breaks during work, because it actually indicates some indecision, such an employee is more likely to be fired.

Limes The INTJ is always open-minded.

OK, but the same as in MBTI is control versus flexibility, i.e. J vs. P, two opposing personality traits, also INTJ is less flexible at the cost of being in control. From this angle I look, maybe openness is not a very good word. In any case, this flexibility is a lot of slack because it's easier to swallow a lack of control when things don't go your way.

Limes I will not agree with ESTJ. INTJ, ENTJ maybe yes, but ESTJ has the sharpness of strength and control in nature, I wrote about it once - S types, sensors have it more naturally. In my opinion, a typical ESTJ comes more naturally and suffers less because it's natural.

Maybe ESTJ a little less, but still dominance combined with flexibility, i.e. the one that occurs in P types, will be healthier. When there is a need for control, tension and toxicity automatically creep in.