Classic masculinity on the example of El Chapo

Limes

Hello.

It's time for someone to explain the young, sped up generation, because I'm fucking my eyes here when I read some fucking about going to“ barber” by a guy.

I'm just watching EL CHAPO.

This is a true story series.

Many women and several wives in his life have heroes. In some scene, I do not remember the episode, he is already somewhere in his 40s, analyzing the real data of these people, El Chapo was then somewhere in the age of 48-49, he approaches a 17-year-old girl at the time. He invites her to dance.

The girl is Emma Coronel Aispuro

Miss Sinaloa 2008.

In the series, this couple looks like this:

The girl is captivated by him. They get married quickly in 2008. Everything is based on real themes, the characters are still alive today, you can easily check everything.

So here we have a classic male pattern. A man in his prime, 48, well-dressed, in position, money, experience, takes a beautiful 18-year-old girl, she is staring at him. He gives her a good life, fertilizes her, the woman gives birth to twins, pays everything properly.

The girl in the series is deadly devoted to him, he looks quite young next to her, which only confirms the repeatedly mentioned theory that a man grows old completely differently than a woman. The above story is a counterbalance to the paranoia that takes place in us today, and which is a living example of one of the forum users - a 24-year-old boy who goes to“ Barbera” with a 28-year-old woman, 4 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM !!!

When I read this, I almost fell off my shoes. A sign of the times, men being unmanly, simply aunt, as our great amateur boxer Kaziu Szczerba said in an interview with Janusz Pindera on the Sports Channel.

El Chapo is an example of the classically understood masculinity. You can see that he is arousing his wife, you can see that all hyperergamy, natural gaze at his man is provided there. Let me remind you that this is happening DESPITE that he is 48 years old, and she is 18. Despite this, because the woman sees a man with a position, mental strength, and at the same time being good for her, ensuring security, warmth and peace.

Here we have an example of CLASSICLY UNDERSTANDING MALE, classically understood MALE PATTERNS, a real man.

El Chapo married his woman, they lived in a house in the countryside, she bore him several children, El Chapo was in charge of the command of his branches of his criminal structure, the woman went about her women's affairs.

We have a CLASSIC here. CLASSIC MALE. A MAN TAKES A CLEARLY YOUNGER WOMAN THAN HIMSELF FOR WIFE, LOCATING IN A RURAL HOUSE, FRAMES HER, AND ENSURES SAFETY.

CLASSIC.

Classically understood masculinity. A man selects his territory, his woman, his property, his home.

Meanwhile, when reading bizarre stories like our colleague, we see that the patterns are completely disturbed. Here is because a 24-year-old boy takes a 28-year-old woman, almost thirty-year-old woman, for a relationship! In addition, it goes to“ barber” and another male beautician, takes care of himself like metrosexuals, in addition tells that he plays board games with a woman, they run together, they giggle together…

I fucking rubbed my eyes in amazement when I read this.

THE FALL OF MALE. Just a FALL.

Lenka

And how many such cases do you know in real life? The relationship of a 17-year-old woman with a 48-year-old man is not the norm and for me (as well as for most people) it is something unpalatable. How to even introduce someone like that to your family or friends? I guess I would burn with shame if I brought home a guy my father's age or even older : D . Not to mention, we simply wouldn't have common topics to talk about. I understand that you dream of such a relationship, thanks to which you would pump up your ego, but unfortunately it is practically unreal, because people usually like people who are close to them in age.

I think you are so hostile to this“ generations” (to men who take care of themselves and treat women normally, with respect) because you blame them for your problems in male-female relationships. You feel that you can't find a girlfriend because of people like them (because you can see that girls prefer them), but it shouldn't surprise you?
You keep writing sexist stuff here, and despite the disgust you feel towards the female sex, you're intensely trying to find a girl to only serve as a sperm bag. Is it really so strange to you that girls are not interested in misogynists / chauvinists who demean and disrespect them? There are so many nice normal guys in the world that I don't see any reason why a girl should be in a pathological relationship.

Work on yourself, because if you keep feeling this disgust with the female sex, I'm afraid you will never be able to create a happy relationship. I suggest that you go to a psychologist, and if that doesn't work, you probably have to take cyproterone. I think such chemical castration would solve your problem and you would finally have peace of mind from these“ nasty women” . Well, just think how much money you would save (because the girl only milk the guys from the cash register!).

Limes

@Lenka

Undoubtedly, you confuse me with someone by describing here some strange things related to whether I have a girlfriend or not, whether I am looking for or not.

I have never written or am looking for anything, whether I have one or the other or not any. They are all your inventions.

My entire post is not about me and my life, but about the general decline of manhood.

Lenka 'Cause you see girls prefer them

Only girls who are unfit for a relationship prefer them and who, at 34 or there are 35, are often childless, without a husband or divorced.

Most of my girlfriends who live with their husbands in the countryside and have a few children did not prefer such men - they preferred El Chapo. Maybe that's why they have a happy and stable family life.

In turn, those who preferred such barber's goers are in the nth relationship, after another breakup or divorce, and generally have unstable and poor family life.

Lenka Work on yourself, because if you still feel such disgust towards the female sex

I also think that you need to work on yourself, because it is possible that your opinions may indicate your disturbed relationship, family and children life.

Limes

Lenka And how many such cases do you know in real life?

And one more thing.

This IS a real life case.

Lenka

I know it's a real-life case, but don't make people believe that the relationship between a teenager and a dozen years old man is a norm and a classic, because it is not. This is a one in several million, and I suspect that it has nothing to do with love for him, but with his money. If he lost the money, she'd kick his ass, so it's a pathological relationship. Let's be honest - a girl who is associated with a dangerous criminal cannot be normal, she is just as demoralized as he is. You just dream that it would be like that in the world, that young, beautiful girls chase old people, but it will never be so, so get down to earth.

Michal

Limes So here we have a classic male pattern. A man in his prime, 48, well-dressed, in position, money, experience, takes a beautiful 18-year-old girl, she is staring at him. He gives her a good life, fertilizes her, the woman gives birth to twins, pays everything properly.

Sounds like ephebophilia. I don't know if such“ raising” her partner is a lucky option for her. It's more like escaping a woman who knows you're sucked to one who sincerely hopes to change you

Limes The above story is a counterbalance to the paranoia that takes place in us today, and which is a vivid example of one of the forum users - a 24-year-old boy walking to "Barber" with a 28-year-old woman, 4 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM !!!

When I read this, I almost fell off my shoes. A sign of the times, men being unmanly, simply aunt, as our great amateur boxer Kaziu Szczerba said in an interview with Janusz Pindera on the Sports Channel.

Not bad. On which side do women have these tags with“ suitability for use” - validity period of 12 years? Since we count from 18 to 30, then only during this period they can be useful, and then when a woman exceeds the magic 30, a real man must look for a new product because the old one has worn out and is already unwanted and yet we are interested in only those that are within that period of validity, no?
In fact, I would shorten that time from 21 to 30 years. 9 years remain.
Why? On average, up to the age of 21, the human hippocampus is still very unstable and such a person does not have his own character and 5 roles are spoken by the people with whom he is surrounded.

What will happen after this magic 30? The woman will die? Probably not. Between the ages of 48 and 52, the average Polish woman has a menopause. That means she's fertile on average by then. Ok. Important information if we focus on having children. What happens when a woman turns 52? Will he die?
Most of the women will live to see an average of 81 years. She will even outlive her husband.

It's funny that you are outraged by my partner who is ONLY 4 years older, but it's okay for you when the show's hero is 30 years older than your partner. We should also note that this partner is ONLY 18, which means that she marries a man almost 2 times older than the moment she appeared on earth.
As for me, the difference of 30 years is ok if the partner is 40 and the man is 70.

It's nice that you mentioned the show. like everything else, it's fiction.

Besides, I am very glad that your anger towards me helps you in your creativity.
Maybe I should piss you off more?

Michal

Anyway, this actress looks 40 years old. Which is weird because you apparently love younger women.
Each one“ a younger woman” you portray looks middle-aged. I know many women who, even after 38 years, look younger than the girls you present.

I will say more, even my mother, who has MORE THAN 50 LOOKS YOUNGER than these actresses or singers.

When it comes to young appearance, there are a lot of women who do not look their age. Maybe some of them are alone because, logically - they always looked younger, men of their age were afraid to be with them, so as not to be defined as a person with disorders regarding children? This is also a thought

Limes

Michal Sounds like ephebophilia. I do not know if such "raising" a partner is a happy option for her. It's more like escaping a woman who knows you're sucked to one who sincerely hopes to change you

Boy.

You take a woman when she is YOUNG.

Because then you will never fucking have a normal RELATIONSHIP, but you will be the MOON just like you are, who jumps like the lady domina plays for him.

Michal Not bad. On which side do women have these “usability” tags - 12 years validity? Since we count from 18 to 30, then only during this period they can be useful, and then when a woman exceeds the magic 30, a real man must look for a new product because the old one has worn out and is already unwanted and yet we are interested in only those that are within that period of validity, no?

Not.

It is like a man should take a woman when he is young because:

a) Then is its greatest value
b) Such a woman has good role models and will be submissive and devoted to her man for the rest of her life, and not to the end of a shift in work until a more handsome colleague appears

When he takes the young one - he stays with her until the end, on the basis of giving back to his woman.
Then he does not throw it anymore, unless the woman bounces something and betrays him, sometimes it happens, but much less often than in cases like yours.

Watch a little El Chapo and you will see what a real man and a real relationship mean.

Despite the difference of 30 years, his woman was deathly in love with him, devoted to the end, never cheated on him, never looked at another man. And not because she was bullying, but because he took her when she was young, he raised her a little bit under him, a girl not blasé, no stupid role models, no FWB or any other shit in the world today.

Such a relationship is value, the salt of the family.

Meanwhile, shit deals like yours end until the next handsome and younger colleague.

Anyway, what will I tell you, you are only 24 years old - a few years will pass and you will admit that I am right.
You don't take a 30-year-old blasé for a relationship, unless you have 45 yourself, then you can make an exception.

Learn to live, boy, so far you know and understand too little, that's why you talk nonsense.

Lenka I know this is a real-life case, but don't tell people that the relationship between a teenager and a dozen years old man is a norm and a classic, because it is not

This is the time when marriages are most durable.

The norm was a difference of 10-20 years in the past and relationships lasted until the end of life.

That's right - it's not like that today. And what's your result of this new method that it isn't? 50% of divorces. Come on, great result, congratulations.

Michal

Limes cool, what if I do not want an obedient and submissive woman and I will not feel like this?

Limes

Michal cool, what if I do not want an obedient and submissive woman and I will not feel like this?

This means you are a beta or gamma male.

Although I am an INTJ type myself, I know that it is not a classically male type, it is definitely more masculine than INTP or INFJ, but still - it is a bit male sewing. This is an evolutionary decline from beta males.

I read that El Chapo was an ESTJ type, meaning classically male, classically, alpha male genes. Do you imagine ESTJ as eg gay? It's almost inconvenient.

In turn, for example, Conrado, chasing El Chapo, was both gay and INTJ type - that's what we're talking about.

The types INFP, INFJ, INTP, INTJ have some sort of pseudo-masculine role in society in a sewn-on manner, but they are not natural men and it shows.

One gay, another lonely eccentric like Tesla, or another like you - related to his older mother“ Auntie” . Well weak male, beta male genes.

As you can see, El Chapo is the classic alpha male genes. A young 30-year-old woman, another woman in turn, etc.

Michal

Limes I see
So I have a relationship with someone who does not attract me
to pretend to be someone I am not
to have a relationship I don't want?

Lenka

Limes This is the time when marriages are most durable.

The norm was a difference of 10-20 years in the past and relationships lasted until the end of life.

That's right - it's not like that today. And what's your result of this new method that it isn't? 50% of divorces. Come on, great result, congratulations.

Just because marriages were more durable doesn't mean they were happier. After all, it was the norm in the past that the family chose a woman's husband and had to marry him, even though she did not love him! Women were often stuck in relationships where they were mistreated by their husbands but could not oppose them. I know that you dream of going back to the times when women were unhappy and incapacitated, but you have to accept that they will never come back. Today, women are no longer owned by men. Today we are free - we can work, express our own opinion, decide for ourselves who we will bond with, and when we want to meet our friends, we do not need a guy's permission. It's probably a good thing that you can normally get divorced these days if people don't get along instead of being stuck in an unhappy marriage for the rest of your life (as it used to be in the past).

oof

@Michal Limes just thinks like an animal. Take the cutest and youngest female and dominate.@Limes The term alpha male, beta male is used to refer to I don't know… herds of monkeys. However, humans are much more developed and can control primitive instincts.

Michal

@Limes I think so a bit that instead of creating a nice and happy relationship with a woman with whom you can talk about any topic, you want to make yourself someone that you are not. For what?
You enter into a relationship with ONE woman in a marriage. Not the thousand women who statistically like ESTJ and ESTP the most.

Do you know why they like them? I will tell you a secret - they are active people who put themselves in real situations and learn from real mistakes of practice that you won't fucking get out of theory. You are outraged that a potential partner will require you to interact and not lock up in the room after working hours.

Instead of somehow experiencing the world, going somewhere, making both of you pleasure, you force someone else to pursue with you at home and with limited contact

Limes

Michal So I have a relationship with someone who does not attract me
to pretend to be someone I am not
to have a relationship I don't want?

What are you raving about, I haven't written anything like that. I just explained your taste for women. This is because you have weak genes, beta or gamma males. That's why you need a woman - auntie, dominatrix. You don't have the classic male characteristics.

Look at this El Chapo. If it had happened a long time ago, I would have admitted you were right, but in 2008, at the age of 48, he picked up an 18-year-old girl and married her, and she was WILLINGLY faithful to him and looked at him until the very end.
Type ESTJ. As has been proven time and time again, the most attractive male type for women, the natural, genetic alpha male.

oof Limes just thinks like an animal. Take the cutest and youngest female and dominate. @Limes The term alpha male, beta male is used to refer to I don't know ... a herd of monkeys. However, humans are much more developed and can control primitive instincts.

Female desire is not modifiable, either the woman feels the desire or not. And he feels for a strong male.

Desire comes from the reptilian brain or wild instincts. You can't explain this to yourself that I want X guys to like me, so they will.
It does not work like that. These are primal instincts shaped by millions of years of evolution.

Michal How a bit I think that instead of creating a nice and happy relationship with a woman with whom you can talk about anything you want to force, you want to make yourself someone that you are not. For what?

I don't try anything like that, I don't write about myself, only about science and trends. I don't know what I have to do with this.

Michal

Limes Because still only ESTJ and ESTP the best genes… blah blah blah… .

Since they have the best genes, you won't change your DNA with all your behavior, right?

oof

Maybe we should create a new ideology? We will castrate all the people in the world, but we will only leave ESTJ men and submissive introverts. Pure breed of alpha males and submissive females. What do you think@Limes ? Hmm… I think I've heard about it somewhere… ah yes, eugenics.

And that it wasn't - I'm not suggesting that you have such views. My only question is - what are these discussions about alpha, beta males leading to. What does it lead to humiliating male introverts and criticizing self-confident women? Do you want to achieve something or just want to discuss?

Limes

oof Maybe we should create a new ideology? We will castrate all the people in the world, but we will only leave ESTJ men and submissive introverts. Pure breed of alpha males and submissive females. What do you think @Limes ? Hmm… I think I've heard about it somewhere… ah yes, eugenics.

It's not about an ideology, it's about explaining life.

oof What does it lead to humiliating male introverts and criticizing self-confident women? Do you want to achieve something or just want to discuss?

Not humiliating, but exposing the TRUTH as it is. So much. What for? Because I believe that you can somehow rebuild your psyche like ESTJ in order to have an abundance of women.

oof

Limes Not humiliating, but exposing the TRUTH as it is. So much. What for? Because I believe that you can somehow rebuild your psyche like ESTJ in order to have an abundance of women.

It is interesting… I like to get to the bottom of everything. Explain to me how you can change your personality? Although the topic is probably extensive and could be a separate thread.

Limes

oof It's interesting… I like to get to the bottom of everything. Explain to me how you can change your personality? Although the topic is probably extensive and could be a separate thread.

Not so much to change as to shape.

Our personality is made up of different hotspots about different life issues - sex, approach to people, conversation, etc. I don't think you need to become an ESTJ right away, it's enough“ cut” his several behaviors, several types of gazes, behaviors that make women interested in them. It's not necessarily a scam, because it's just a puller, then normal conversation counts, etc.

I am a convinced supporter of the theory that ESTJ even on such a tinder has its ESTJ-like look written on the face and even without the features of a typical handsome guy, such an ESTJ on Tinder itself can attract women with a look, gesture, vibe of a photo. I am sure about that. So we are trying to forge these most important common and definitional points.