[MBTI] Which personality has the most charisma?

NimfaWodna

NimfaWodna Or rather, I'm not getting into a relationship with someone who doesn't do aspects to me because it doesn't bother me then.

@buncol that's why I wrote that I do not take a hoe to the sun. I was simply never in a dominant role. So I don't have to identify with this trait.
I will not agree with one of them. Not always E types can dominate me 😁

NimfaWodna

Limes They are mega submissive at all, you only need one in a billion… HAHAHAHAH 😃

As for guys, it's one in a billion. Why are people getting into relationships and not happy? Because they are constantly looking for one in a billion. And some find after more or less attempts. Some people give up and are satisfied with what is or are handed 😅. It's just like a recipe. You improve it until you find the perfect one, or you throw the hell out of cookbooks 😂

buncol

Another example of the type of ENFJ will be the preacher Adam Szustak.

Features common to predecessors? Certainly, a great charisma, I will just mention that his YouTube channel has almost 800,000 subscribers, and he earns 70,000 zlotys a month for patronage, so far he has collected almost three melons there.

https://patronite.pl/langustanapalmie

Another common feature will be an interest in abstract topics.

Oprah Winfrey recognized the book by spiritual master Eckhart Tolle entitled Nowa Ziemia for the best position ever created and devoted tens or even hundreds of hours to the author in its programs. John Paul II was the pope, it is known. Jim Jones - some kind of sect. Tyson Fury talks about Jesus all the time. Max Kolonko - some cosmogenic theories, Nemesis forces and others.@NimfaWodna - astrology.

What annoys me personally about the ENFJ and ENFP types dealing with spirituality is the fact that first of all - they are very emotional (letter F), kind of like boxer George Foreman, got a few harder punches and suddenly saw God and then became a preacher . Emotionally, it means that it does not have much value for other people, it does not translate into the lives of others, because emotions, contrary to objective logic, are only subjective feelings.

Then we have the extroversion that makes these thoughts so bright. I remember watching a film by this Szustak once, where it was supposed to be about why he supports celibacy. Well, I turned on, I watch, he touched on ten topics, you don't know what's going on, he just threw a text that celibacy strengthens him, or something like that… nothing unexplained, as if I had to guess for myself what is so cool about this celibacy, it is a pity to talk.

It's a bit like@NimfaWodna when I write about astrology, I read these topics and just wonder what's going on here. Mars is aquatic, Mars in sextile, Virgo is terrestrial, Venus is fiery, Libra is making an opposition, Mars and Venus form a square, someone is aspiring… you can't understand that. And I assume with high probability that if the INTP / INTJ type wrote about it, it would be understandable to everyone, even a layman.

For example, I take a book by Eckhart Tolle (INTP) and everything is readable to the limit: focus on the present moment, stop thinking, everything is clear. He even chooses such words deliberately so as not to raise any doubts, to avoid misunderstanding at all costs. It's a bit like Albert Einstein said, and by the way the INTP type: If you can't explain something simply, so simply that a five-year-old would understand it, you probably don't understand it well yourself.

In general, I think that while the types of INTP or INTJ structure philosophical and spiritual knowledge, clean up these topics, the types ENFJ and ENFP make a mess and blur the whole picture.

NimfaWodna

buncol It's a bit like @NimfaWodna when I write about astrology, I read these topics and just wonder what's going on here. Mars is aquatic, Mars in sextile, Virgo is terrestrial, Venus is fiery, Libra is opposing it, Mars and Venus form a square, someone is aspiring… well, you can't understand that. And I assume with high probability that if the INTP / INTJ type wrote about it, it would be understandable to everyone, even a layman.

First of all, I wrote topics here and it is there and about Mars and Venus. If you wanted to, you would have read it and not be such a layman anymore.
As for the aspects, they are the simplest mathematical calculations. I will explain what's going on quickly, because you accuse me of not being able to:
We have 12 zodiac signs, each of them is located 30 degrees apart. So now, simple and straightforward, what aspects may occur:
distance 0 degrees = conjunction (orb up to 7, less often up to 8 degrees)
distance 30 degrees = half-sextile (orb 1-2 degrees)
distance 60 degrees = sextile (orb up to 4 degrees)
90 degrees distance = quadrature (orb to 7 degrees)
distance 120 degrees = trigon (orb to 7 degrees)
150 degrees distance = quincunx (orb 1-2 degrees)
distance 180 degrees = opposition (orb to 7 degrees)

So stupid example, opposition 180 degrees - to the sign of Aries it will be Libra because it is exactly opposite at a distance of 180 degrees.
The trigon is 120 degrees - an example is Aries, Leo and Sagittarius that have a distance of 120 degrees between them - the fire trigon and so with the next element. The second is the earth, it begins with Taurus, then Virgo and finally Capricorn. And it's the same with the air element, Gemini then Libra and Aquarius shuts down. Finally, there is water. It starts with Cancer by Scorpio and ends with the fish peloton.
Another example is a sextile here the distance is 60 degrees. From an ordinary mathematical calculation, it can be understood that 60 degrees from an Aries will do a Twin. And 60 degrees from Taurus will do Cancer. Therefore, the elements of Fire (Aries) and air (twins) form a sextile. And the elements of earth (bull) and water (cancer) also form a 60-degree sextile. This is also the case with subsequent signs of given elements.
The rule is the same with the rest of the aspects. Easy. I hope your mind gripped it 😊

NimfaWodna

With each science it is so that one assimilates it better and the other worse. I have the impression that people with a higher iq level absorb it faster. Even out of curiosity, they read about a given field themselves in order to be able to talk to another person on a certain level.
I, being a complete layman about MBTI, read about it myself and I often discuss it with you to understand it better. That is why I ask and do not close myself to this knowledge.
What do you think about it@Limes ?

Limes

NimfaWodna I, being a complete layman about MBTI, read about it myself and I often discuss it with you to understand it better. That is why I ask and do not close myself to this knowledge.
What do you think about it @Limes ?

Of course it is, but the problem arises when practically every other word of yours is incomprehensible. In MBTI, most of our conversations can be understood, and here, when every other phrase is incomprehensible, a person loses the will to know it, because he has a gigantic pile of things that he has to learn.

Maybe if you could write it in more your own words, or go back and forth explaining what it is. I know that it costs more effort, but without that, it's so hard to even have the strength to understand it. I do not close myself to these theories, because for me it is obvious that since man lives on planets and between planets, he must depend on their movement, location at a given time, etc. It is even the assumption that it IS NOT like that (that is, denying) is idiotic. Well, because they also assume that a human is such a encapsulated capsule independent of external factors.

This is just an idiot squared.

buncol

NimfaWodna With each science it is so that one assimilates it better and the other worse. I have the impression that people with a higher iq level absorb it faster.

Definitely, but it does not change the fact that something can be explained better or worse.

And here, without exception, every time I assimilate some knowledge and the teacher is an extrovert, there are always problems, always… . constant understatement, you have to guess everything, tra-dia.

The extrovert has charisma and is suitable for television to provide entertainment, such as Mariusz Max Kolonko or Oprah Winfrey, so that you can get sick, but definitely not suitable for translating intricate content.

See - in life you always have something for something, this dose of mystery which causes understatements on the one hand adds charisma, but at the same time removes the didactic talent, because in teaching all understatements are reprehensible.

NimfaWodna

@buncol after all, I explained the basics when it comes to aspects in the post above.
Strange, because sometimes I talk about it with laymen and after a while they understand such basics as trigon, sextile, opposition. Just remember the numbers.

ViolentDesires

buncol So definitely and self-confidence like ESTJ / ENTJ, but also grace, femininity, ease and naturalness. ESTJ (such as @ViolentDesires ) and ENTJ (like the melodies from the neighboring forum) do not have it anymore, it can be felt even by the style of writing, there is rather a tension and mechanics, movements - one could say - a job.

This freedom of movement can be seen, among others, in Barack Obama, who, by the way, is also an ENFJ type.

I do not know where you see this blonde as freedom of movement as in Obama. In my opinion she is stiff and tense, although that probably comes from the fact that concentrating on singing strains her.

As for me, you are misreading me. I am concrete and very stable, mentally unchanging, which you might perceive as mechanical, but that's not it. You see here only my written word and in addition only in a specific, forum context.

I am very, very much“ strong” when it comes to every aspect of the physical, the carnality. I have a“ top” I am beautiful, I have a lot of energy and horse health, I am extremely strong physically for my figure (many people have asked me if I take any doping 😂). I am sexually charged and very talented when it comes to bed. I do both sports and dance very well. I feel great in my body, I have great motor coordination and I am the opposite of a clumsy person. I don't know of any other person who has such a strong set of virtues when it comes to these physical, bodily things.

I can see health and vitality, athleticism and sexual recharge. I have heard from many people that I have the grace of a (domestic) cat, a large predatory cat in the style of a panther or tiger, a snake or a mare. I've also heard that I can drip with intense, mesmerizing sexuality.

As for the mare, it may not be understandable to everyone, so I will present an image:

I'm not saying that every ESTJ woman has that, I am very specific and these are individual matters, but the way you perceive me has nothing to do with what I am in the real world. I am like an animal hidden in a woman's skin, not a robot.

Limes Hehe, we already have the second "submissive" EXXJ-otka from the forum ... I would like to remind you that the col. @ViolentDesires she also suggested to us that she was "very submissive" to her man. They are mega submissive at all, you only need one in a billion… HAHAHAHAH 😃

It's like saying Mike Tyson was a docile boxing guy, all you had to do was ... Lennox Lewis. Well, such a small thing, isn't it ... lol ...

People are selective, this is what the world looks like.

I suspect you don't like every woman, only some, right? 🙂

The level of requirements varies, but each person is selective.

Limes

ViolentDesires People are selective, this is what the world looks like.

I suspect you don't like every woman, only some, right? 🙂

The level of requirements varies, but each person is selective.

Well, they are, but we're not talking about that. If you can only be submissive to a small group of guys, then you are not submissive, simple.

ViolentDesires I am very, very "strong" about every aspect of physicality. I have a "top" beauty, I have a lot of energy and horse health, I am incredibly strong physically for my figure (many people have asked me if I take any doping 😂). I am sexually charged and very talented when it comes to bed. I do both sports and dance very well. I feel great in my body, I have great motor coordination and I am the opposite of a clumsy person. I don't know of any other person who has such a strong set of virtues when it comes to these physical, bodily things.

I can see health and vitality, athleticism and sexual recharge.

I've always wondered why you are writing this. You wrote similarly on BS. Unlike them, it didn't piss me off so much as it somehow puzzled me. In what sense are you actually informing us about this?
Okay, even if you have all this, it interests me that it would be of use to me, that is, for example, if such described qualities excited me - would you give me a shit.
Well, you me“ you inform” that there is some sweet lollipop behind the armored glass, but there is.
Or is it some form of self-esteem?

I don't really understand it. But if I am to relate to it already:
you probably don't understand how many, many guys don't turn to women like you for something serious. For sex, a tall vamp woman, strong can sometimes turn, but a girl is, for example, an athletic 166 cm girl sooner. And if she's tall, it's more like 174/50, i.e. tall, slim, but still shorter than most men.
However, a woman with a height of 180 cm, so I would say, at once, maybe two for sex, but for something more serious - I don't know, I think I would have to fall in love, because such physical qualities are not quite for me.

A tall woman of a man's height, well-built, strong, athletic? Well, for rough sex at once, maybe yes, but for something more, I would not say and this is not only my opinion, I think that most guys do not really want such women.

I noticed that very pretty women paid more attention to me when they were 178 cm +. As if because growth meant that they had to lower their requirements a bit, despite their very pretty face, presence, etc.

buncol

Limes I've always wondered why you are writing this. You wrote similarly on BS. Unlike them, it didn't piss me off so much as it somehow puzzled me. In what sense are you actually informing us about this?

I was also puzzled by this, because such persistent persuasion of others about your own attractiveness usually shows some complexes, as if you wanted to convince yourself of it.

On the one hand, the girl seems to be overwhelmed and intelligent, but (as already mentioned here in the forum) she is so simple, ESTJotian intelligence, consistent and effective, but simple.

After all, 95% of readers, despite the fact that such boasts may irritate them, will have an athletic, sexy domino in their heads at the nickname ViolentDesires, so the goal is achieved, there is attention, there is a good impression. It's like Goebbels said that words repeated a thousand times become true.

However, there will be those 5% who would be better impressed by some subliminal message, a subtle mention of attractiveness, and this constant, persistent assurance will only raise doubts about the actual appearance or intelligence.

It's like Wilder, who defeats 95% of his rivals with this consistent ESTJ boxing, but the best players need something extra.

buncol

Ginger is also probably an ENFJ, at least visually this is how I imagine this type, when he scatters chips with music and with a confident step he leaves… mega.

What a scene, how colorful and intense.

The best here, however, are those looks of De Niro, this is the genius of the first water.

Limes

buncol Ginger is also probably an ENFJ, at least visually this is how I imagine this type, when he scatters his chips with music and with a confident step he walks away ... mega.

What a scene, how colorful and intense.

No, absolutely not. Ginger is a classic example of ESFP.
ESFP is also very charismatic (Marilyn Monroe), flashy, radiant. On the other hand, you can see sensuality in her, and most of all - Ginger flew with everything to the element, it was De Niro who embraced all the troubles and constantly corrected it, and she was so vibrating, she was fired with the element, emotions. It was a classic pair of ISTJ + ESFP, hehe. Robert with his strict“ boring” with the look of calculating and calculating everything, and she - the one who awakened his sensation-hungry heart - released his emotions. This is a brilliant study of the MBTI union connections. Interestingly, it is interesting because it was all real - Rothstein himself looked very bitchy, it was an example of a total Jew who had made money with his brain. And he found a Ginger (actually Geri McGee) who already had a child then.
Best of all, the real Ginger was more beautiful than the movie one:

After losing her, Sam Rothstein did not find another one, as far as I know, and took care of raising the children. It was such a classic example of the Golden Shot of a beciak.

ViolentDesires

Limes Well, they are, but we're not talking about that. If you can only be submissive to a small group of guys, then you are not submissive, simple.

It is very, very similar. You don't like all women, only some, right? If you were to apply your own logic to you, it would imply that you are not heterosexual in nature. 🙂

“ Heterosexuality” in men it does not at all mean sexual attraction to all women. It means sexual attraction to some women.

Why don't you understand that our submission to men, a form of our heterosexuality, works exactly the same?

Limes I've always wondered why you are writing this. You wrote similarly on BS. Unlike them, it didn't piss me off so much as it somehow puzzled me. In what sense are you actually informing us about this?
Okay, even if you have all this, it interests me that it would be useful for me, that is, for example, if such described qualities excited me - will you give me a shit.
Well, you inform me that there is some sweet lollipop behind the armored glass, but there is.
Or is it some form of self-esteem?

Let's start with the fact that I am direct and in my behavior there is usually no hidden bottom, no deep and hidden intentions. Searching for it in me is going astray. 🙂

I am writing about my beauty because it has a huge impact on my life, including everyday life. I'm on 9-10 / 10, here I am“ phenomenally beautiful” and I get attention, cause a lot of strong reactions, I am treated differently by people because of that. In my case, it's not like some 7/10 girl who is attractive but doesn't make a great impression. This is a completely different situation. I make a great impression, my beauty has a strong influence on people. Most often men are staring at me and lick me up, and women often feel uncomfortable with me, sometimes they don't like me because of jealousy.

It is a constant part of my life, every day, for several years, from the teenage years. My beauty attracts attention and influences people as I walk down the street. When I shop at the store. When I meet people on a private or professional level. She“ colors” my whole life, my experiences and my perspective. Therefore, in my opinion, it is natural that I am writing about it.

It is similar with other things. I am sexually“ naughty” . sex plays a big role in my life. My physical fitness, as well as my tendency to violence, is also an important part of me.

Limes A tall woman of a man's height, well-built, strong, athletic?

One fix: I'm built like a fitness trainer, not like a bodybuilder, so“ strongly built” does not fit.

Limes I noticed that very pretty women paid more attention to me when they were 178 cm +. As if because growth meant that they had to lower their requirements a bit, despite their very pretty face, presence, etc.

Tall height in a woman can be a problem, but not if the face and shape are (very) good. I am very successful and my height does not spoil it. I have tall and pretty friends who have no problems with success. I saw problems in tall and ugly or average girls.

buncol I was also puzzled by this, because such persistent persuasion of others about your own attractiveness usually shows some complexes, as if you wanted to convince yourself of it.

I have no complexes. I love my beauty and I love myself in general. I don't know another person who has the same concentration of virtues as me. Not only me, but also my friends believe that there is something in me“ superhuman” and“ perfect” . Not literally perfect, it is about feeling going in that direction.

buncol On the one hand, the girl seems to be overwhelmed and intelligent, but (as already mentioned here in the forum) she is so simple, ESTJotian intelligence, consistent and effective, but simple.

Ok, I am“ straight” . I don't like art, I don't like it“ deep” literature.

This is not a lack of intelligence, I am very intelligent. This is a disinterest.

buncol However, there will be those 5% who would be better impressed by some subliminal message, a subtle mention of attractiveness, and this constant, persistent assurance will only raise doubts about the actual appearance or intelligence.

Then 5% are people“ overconfigured” who look for the problem and the bottom line where it is not.

buncol It's like Wilder, who defeats 95% of his rivals with this consistent ESTJ boxing, but the best players need something extra.

That 5% are not“ the best” , just“ overconfigured” . The best ones draw accurate, not wrong conclusions.

buncol

ViolentDesires This 5% are not "the best" but "overconfigured". The best ones draw accurate, not wrong conclusions.

Come on, wait a minute.

Is that Tyson Fury or Muhammad Ali, who are in the five percent of boxing geniuses, are overconfigured and fail to draw the right conclusions?

After all, they, as Intuitive types, overcome consistent, but simple Sensors, and this clearly proves that they are better than them.

To enter a higher level of initiation, the so-called god level, you have to be the Intuitive (N) type in MBTI, Sensors (S) can be very good at best.

Limes

buncol To enter a higher level of initiation, the so-called god level, you have to be the Intuitive (N) type in MBTI, Sensors (S) can be very good at best.

Yep, its the true, absolutely.